Ah, the internet and streaming video! You can selectively watch portions of the convention without stumbling over the vapid ramblings of Soledad O’Brien, or worse, Amy Holmes. So far, the best sight for this is Crooks and Liars which has included most of the major speeches so far, unedited and in their entirety. Even MSNBC, the slightly off-center cable outlet that occasionally offers something that is not utterly predictable, has imploded into a testy redux of the Battling Bickersons.
That aside, what happened to the DOA story line that the Clinton’s were in Denver merely to sabotage Obama’s big moment, even possibly to steal the nomination? What I witnessed were 2 crafty, articulate politicians rallying the throng behind their candidate without the slightest hint of bitterness or condescension. Well, when the MSM invents a story line, they stick to it. Latest variation is that, so far, the convention has been all about the Clinton’s ! No s**t? Possibly because the a**holes in the press couldn’t talk about anything other than the Clinton’s for a week leading up to the convention? Or possibly because a former 2-term President and a former 2-term First Lady, U.S. Senator, and Democratic primary runner-up were giving prime-time speaking slots????
Speaking of Hillary, I thought her speech was terrific. Seriously. I mean, it was only a speechafter all, the purpose of which was to connect to rank-and-file Dems with the use of iconic imagery, buzz words, and the kind of lofty rhetoric that is intended to inspire and engage, but it was really, really good. Doubtless, there probably was a touch of that “buyer’s remorse” for Obama supporters. But again, I apparently missed the Big Picture again. Can’t wait for the nihilists to drop that marmot into McCain’s bath tub next week. They will, won’t they? Won’t they?
Just shows `ya that the PUMA story was all a KKKarl Rove fairy tale.
Scary picture of Hillary, that could give McCan’t heart failure!!
Also I am exceedingly nauseated by the plethora of pantsuits of the ‘powerful’ women of the DemocratIC party.
President Clinton was very good, the crowd loved him.
I really liked the Biden/Obama moment on stage!
Comment by Gary — Thursday, August 28, 2008 @ 11:04 am
I agree with you, yet again Stacy. Both Clinton’s were great. And where was THAT John Kerry 4 years ago? Tuesday Kucinich gave a great Wake Up America speech to a half full house. I wish his speech was being broadcast as a PSA, looping 24/7.
I saw a picture of the GOP stage for next week. They’re calling it a more intimate venue with a Town Hall Meeting feel. It sure looked pitiful by comparison to me. I will only watch the GOP convention on C-Span to avoid all the slanted yapping by MSM. I don’t need their views. I’m just gonna sit back and watch them try to spin failure after failure. Be on the look out for a very dizzy marmot!
Comment by Rita in Mission Beach — Thursday, August 28, 2008 @ 11:27 am
Gathering some of my wits and thoughts together, am going to try and watch some of the repub. marmot gathering next week just to see what kind of questions the elite press are going to quire their republican benefactors with, questions such as those from the likes of David Gregory and Scarbourgh. Questions that have more of an opinion, slant and bias. Holy shit, where have all the real reporters gone? Editorials? I’ll go to the OP. Ed. page. The media is going to prolong this fabricated disention just in order to rake in the big bucks available. Folks, have you seen McCain’s latest interviews? There are the makings of a real sad old man going through the motions of a bygone life never to be found again. Some people don’t know when to hang it up.
Comment by knifemaster — Thursday, August 28, 2008 @ 11:32 am
Well, apart from the scripted baloney INSIDE the hall….if you can, look at todays (Thurs) LA Times pg A 25- Iraq Vets Against the War confront the cowardly, corrupt Dims where they live. The Dims hid behind phalanxes of heavily armed cops & mercs, and Obama sent out some apparatchik to beg them to go away.
The baloney- spines INSIDE melted away before the steel spines OUTSIDE. Hid behind the gunsels & armored cars, & ordered them off…….
The vets insane demand? a chance to address the convention, injecting a massive dose of desperately needed reality. No chance, of course. Were talking about Dims here, not an opposition party.
And to think they took the House & Senate intimating they would end the war. With a frisson of “accountability”- right.
the war will end when campaign contributors quit profiting, & the troops tell them to shove it. Not before, & not with the likes of Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, or , sad to say, Obama callin the shots.
the Repub Gathering of Goons will actually be easier to watch: no deception, a la Dims, just outright wing nuttery. It’ll give Colbert insanely funny material…….watching the Dims is like watching a fixed bowling match- dull enough WITHOUT the pre ordained moves & commentary.
And we meet where & when? The IVAW concert in Oceanside?
Comment by mutt — Thursday, August 28, 2008 @ 11:52 am
Both Amy Holmes and Michelle Malkin are cunts. As far as the conventions goes. I thought both Hillary & Bill Clinton hit two inside the park homeruns in terms of their unequivocal endorsements of Barack Obama & Joe Biden. Unfortunately, we still have the GOP conventions next week. With the Republicans being the home team, w/ the team’s last “at bat”. So I’ll watch, and hear all the right wing’s bullshit, lame arguments into why “Old Fart McCain” is qualified to be “commander in chief”, the attacks on Obama, all their one line bumper sticker slogans, and all their other propagandas. And unfortunately in this country, the right wing attacks & right wing propaganda resonates upon the low I.Q’d, poorly informed, ignorant American public.
Comment by Paul — Thursday, August 28, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
To paraphrase Hermann Goering, “whenever I hear the term “progressive”, I ease the safety off my automatic”….
Here, Naomi Klein beats them like rented mules…….that gal is Derby Doll tough……
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2105
Comment by mutt — Thursday, August 28, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
Hillary’s speech had me screaming. Obama was also very strong tonight. It was interesting to go back and watch his 2004 keynote. These are the things we hold dear. And I thought the “change” was simply to eliminate criminal behavior in the White House. This truly is a battle between the cool people and the dicks. May we vanquish the foe for all time.
If you know anyone between the ages of 18 and 24, make damn sure they vote in this.
And no Gary, the PUMAs are very much for real. And I have no idea where the hell they are coming from. But who the hell needs them? Let’s win this one for everyone.
Comment by Flying Junior — Thursday, August 28, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
You know what would impress me and get me to actually spend my time watching one of these conventions ( I never have wasted my time on them and probably never will) would be if just one of these speakers would actually have the brains to write one of their owm speachs and speak like a human being and not some programed robot. I can’t stnd they way these phoney politicians talk to people. It’s so freaking fake ad full of BS. Stacy is right, most of this cuntry is a bunch of idiots and millions of them are tuned in to this convention right now and suckling up all of the hot air crap that is being pumped out by these brilliant politicans that are fooling the hell of of their idiot listeners.
Your right Spike. You are surrounded by idiots and they are tuned into this convention and your show………
Comment by Gabe — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 5:17 am
“speak like a human being and not some programed robot. I can’t stnd they way these phoney politicians talk to people. It’s so freaking fake ad full of BS. ”
Look in the mirror much?
i apologize to my comrade posters for referencing this boob……
Comment by mutt — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 8:41 am
i watched the convention on cspan they showed
the whole thing without commentary
it was great hillary and bill were both right on target
and obama showed them lots of respect
corny and staged (as all are) but still inspiring
i see mccain picked a woman
sarah palin gov of alaska
Comment by proud2bliberal — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 8:42 am
And while proggywogs everywhere are spooging over Obamas speech: master job, if you go by speeches- I noted he tied us to Zionist, expansionist Israel, tied us to the insane invasion of S Ossetia by Georgia, and not one word about the Iraqis wanting us OUT, the Afghanistan adventure being utterly blown beyond redemption, lost, gone, its over, OR holding Cheneyco accountable. For anything. Anything at all…….lotsa talk about a bright shiney tommorrow, not one word about the 3?6?9? trillion plus Debt, not one word about how the wars are bottomless money pits,scams, public wars for private profit, not one word about out of control merc corruption……..or getting our $ back. not one word about malfactors of great wealth (TR quote) who are STILL selling off our industrial equipment abroad & getting TAX BREAKS for exporting our tool & machinery assets, (maybe coz they are heavy Dim contributors these days?)
And in so doing, he lived completely up to me & Tanyas expectations. Ill give him that.
But the scripted glitz was entertaining, & Im sure have McNuts handlers hiding under the bed.
Cant WAIT for the demented murder fest that will be the Repubs. Lunacy on parade, loud & proud. “Were here, were violently delusional, get used to it!”
Colbert will have a field day. Cant wait……
Meanwhile, y’all can gush on about it, I appreciate your good hearts & hopes…..just dont share ‘em…..
Comment by mutt — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 10:29 am
AND!!!!! You all remember the crackpot holy man who told his sheep to pray for rain at the Dimfest? Perfect weather, it was…..and TODAYS paper sez the Repub Gathering Of Loons may be canceled by……RAIN!!!! HAR!!!!
Ya cant make this stuff up……..
Comment by mutt — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 10:33 am
Is It NBA Or NFL?
36
have been accused of spousal abuse
7
have been arrested for fraud
19
have been accused of writing bad checks
117
have directly or indirectly
bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3
have done time for assault
71,
repeat
71 cannot
get a credit card due to bad credit
14
have been arrested on drug-related charges
8
have been arrested for shoplifting
21
currently
are defendants in lawsuits, and
84
have been arrested for drunk driving
in
the last year
Can
you guess which organization this is?
Give
up yet? . . Scroll down,
Neither,
it’s the 435 members of the
United States Congress
The
same group of Idiots that crank out
hundreds of new laws each year
designed to keep the rest of us in line.
You
gotta pass this one on!
Comment by Gabe — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 10:38 am
speak like a human being and not some programed robot. I can’t stnd they way these phoney politicians talk to people. It’s so freaking fake ad full of BS. ”
Look in the mirror much?
i apologize to my comrade posters for referencing this boob……
Comment by mutt — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 8:41 am
Oh shut the fuck up you stupid old fool……
Comment by Gabe — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Cyinical? Yes. Inspired by the scripted bullshit? Yes. Question all politicos? Yes. Suffered through 10,count em,10 presidents in my lifetime and this is the first time I became fully engaged to end this unending lying and corrupt REPUB ANMINISTRATION. Bush has split this country and families never to be mended in my lifetime. I see people gathering in mega churches looking for an answer to their plight and falling for all the snake oil salesman”s bullshit. Are we going to morph our couuntry back to the times of the Crusades, lifting the never ending cross and singing “Onward Christian Soldiers” over the really deep cliff into a never ending war of the worlds
Comment by knifemaster — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 10:48 am
Stacy, will you please block that asshole again? I really enjoy sitting here reading everyone’s opinions, and while I don’t agree with them all no one is offensive, except for Gabe.
Comment by Lorelei — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 10:51 am
Here’s the link to the youtube video of Dennis Kucinich’s speech, I think, one of the best at the convention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0smG7ptcM
Hillary’s was also good, but I thought she could have given Obama more kudos. Bill’s was great! (sigh) And, of course, Obama hit it out of the ball park! (again) And Joe Biden is a great running mate! His son’s intro was very moving.
We also watch it on C-Span because the pundits are so annoying.
Comment by goodgolly — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 10:52 am
Ditto what Lorelei said! Saying “shut the f up” is grounds for banning on any message board I’ve been to.
Comment by goodgolly — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 11:21 am
Dear Lorelei,
When I hear un-called for criticism by anyone on this site, I shake my head. I feel awful for a sec, and try to remember what the hell I was thinking about before I was distracted by ugly human behavior. HATE THAT FEELING. I’m just an innocent by-poster in the line of fire.
Let it go. No one controls my mind, feelings, or body. NO ONE. And I want that same freedom for all, so…well, you get the drift.
See you in bumpersticker land where it’s safer!
Comment by Rita in Mission Beach — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 11:35 am
http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165
Investigation to begin into whether Governor Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan
By Corey Allen-Young, CBS 11 News Reporter
Article Last Updated: 07/28/2008 06:49:51 PM AKDT
Lawmakers will hire someone within a week to investigate whether Governor Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The legislative council approved 100,000 dollars for the investigation that will find out whether Palin was angry at Monegan for not firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin’s sister.
On Monday afternoon, the Joint Legislative Council, filled with Republicans and Democrats, voted 12 to 0 to formally call for an investigation against Governor Palin in a manner—that they are stressing—will be unbiased and done in a timely fashion.
Click on above link for full story!
Comment by goodgolly — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
I kinda like that she was a former Alaskan Beauty Queen. She is against abortion. She favors capital punishment. She opposes same-sex marriages. Currently under investigation of family scandal as stated above. Her oldest of 5 children leaves for Iraq in September, and her youngest was born with Down’s Syndrome a few months ago. On June 2nd in an interview with Glen Beck (accidental mouse click, I promise) she answered No to his question when asked if she would accept the Vice Presidential nomination from McCain. She felt a stronger need in Alaska at that time. Ain’t it always about the oil with these people???
Got all I wanted to know from one wickipedia page. Half really; I was too nauseated to go on.
Comment by Rita in Mission Beach — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
McPain should have had the class to wait until tomorrow to announce his choice for a running mate and not rain on Obama’s parade. That speech he gave last night was wonderful! Let’s hope he can accomplish 1/2 of what he said if he’s elected. I don’t feel quite as bad as I did about having to vote for him. Anyone else?
Thanks Rita for reminding me of my own advice.
Comment by Lorelei — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 12:55 pm
Oh I can’t wait for that Biden-Palin debate.
Comment by Rita in Mission Beach — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
Stacy:
In reference to Senator Obama’s speech last night:
Demeanor: like that of an eagle.
Spirit: fierce—a true threat to a crooked and mediocre status quo.
Vernacular: moral, intelligent, respectful and straight—no weasel words, no cute crap, no fancifully or esoteric gibberish.
Politics: mostly right on for most subjects but still caters to an “entitlement/victim attitude” crowd that thinks that just because one is born one is automatically entitled to a good job, good benefits, free health care, etc. as if this stuff was easily affordable—as long as some third party is paying the tab.
Overall: a very impressive and sincere speech—id est—he hit it out of the Park.
Comment by Ben Brady — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Ditto what Lorelei said! Saying “shut the f up” is grounds for banning on any message board I’ve been to.
Comment by goodgolly — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 11:21 am
Not this one Pal. I have been cursed out far worse than that buy several a holes here. It’s standard talk from these angry hate filled liberals
Comment by Gabe — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
So you’re copping the “they did it too Mommy” defense?
Comment by goodgolly — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 4:58 pm
Holy you know what! I found the link to this story on yahoo:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1130.htm
August 26, 2008
Shocking Israeli Plot To Assassinate Obama Foiled In US
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers (Traducción al Español abajo)
FSB reports to Prime Minister Putin circulating in the Kremlin today are stating that an Israeli based plot to assassinate the United States Democratic Party Presidential Candidate Barack Obama has been foiled due to information relayed to American Intelligence Officials from Russian Military Forces who are still decrypting secret documents captured in Georgia from retreating Georgian special forces troops trained in Israel.
According to these reports, Russian forces had captured secret war documents, and plans, drawn up by former Israeli Brigadier General Gal Hirsch [pictured 2nd photo on left] who commanded Israel’s forces during their disastrous 2006 war in Lebanon, who resigned prior to his being investigated for his war failures, and was in command of Georgian Military Forces during their, likewise, disastrous invasion of Russian protected South Ossetia.
Contained in these captured documents, these reports continue, was one titled “Operation Drago” which detailed the assassination plot in ‘great detail’, including its ‘main objective’ to foist blame for the killing of Barack Obama on Neo-Nazi connected White Supremacist groups based in the United States.
(click link for full story)
Comment by goodgolly — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
So you’re copping the “they did it too Mommy” defense?
Comment by goodgolly — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 4:58 pm
Somewhat. I stopped it with those that don’t continue to curse me out. But Mutt for example continues his childish personal insults so I give him his own medecine back.
Comment by Gabe — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 5:41 pm
sarah palin is like a mix of
katherine harris and jean schmidt
Comment by proud2bliberal — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 5:58 pm
this Palin selection is wildly funny in so many ways. & the Repubs are stuck having to proclaim its brilliance. What utter buffoons.
Indeed, Harris & Schmidt. 5 kids? Another one for not pullin out.
Behind the scenes, feverish scheming on how to avoid the inevitable Eagleton moment.
Between them & the Dims, we are poorly served.
Comment by mutt — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
In a way I almost feel sorry for Gov. Palin, even as I disagree with every damn position she has ever taken. She is obviously the unwitting pawn being used in a shrewd attempt to grab a few Hillary voters. I want to write her a letter and ask her “Ma’am, do you know what you are jumping into?”
She has a year of executive experience governing Alaska, a state with a population of roughly 600,000. That’s half of the city of San Diego. One could argue that Jerry Sanders is more qualified to be McCain’s running mate. She seems like a nice lady, why drop into this fishbowl? More like a sharktank.
And then there’s Joe Biden, a democratic junkyard dog no repug in their right mind wants to face in a debate. This guy was born in a coal town in Pennsylvania and has faced down Milosovich. To say Mrs. Palin is woefully outclassed is a ridiculous understatement.
McCain is throwing a Hail Mary(or would that be Hail Sarah?) and I don’t think it will work. Does anyone else think a picture of McCain with Palin looks like Grandpa at this Granddaughter’s college graduation?
By the way Romney is reportedly so pissed one of his hairs got messed up.
Comment by Justin — Friday, August 29, 2008 @ 11:11 pm
I am sure Mrs. Palin is indeed a very HOT choice. Forcing those dickheads to resign as ethics commisioner. Killing the “bridge to nowhere”… Probably set up that senator with the 250k in unreported donations. Maverick credentials unmatched in our time.
Now this is my kind of Christian conservative!
Comment by Flying Junior — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 5:49 am
Oops! What did I do wrong? Let’s try that again.
This is indeed a very hot Christian conservative.
Comment by Flying Junior — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 5:51 am
This VP pick will seal it for Mc Cain………..it’s over folk. Mc Cain is your new President. The angle will work. I really don’t care much for Mc Cain so I will probably ignore the man while he bumbles around in the white house while he and his VP are demonized for the next 4 years by the angry mob on the left. My life the way I see it and live it is really not effected by who is fumbling around in the white house anyway. Putting your trust and faith in Politicians will anyway leave you sorely disapointed so I put mine elsewhere and enjoy what I have been given and earned.
Regardless of who has been at the helm my business has grown and my life has always been better than ever…….Out racing motorcycles this Saturday night and running a booth for 3 days at the stickball tourny in Little Italy……great fun for a labor day weekend. Drop by and say hi to Babsie at the Angel Painting booth.
Comment by Gabe — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 5:52 am
This Palin choice is gonna show us just how stupid or smart We The People actually are. At least, McCain has given all of us the biggest campaign distraction so far: Who can dig up the most dirt on this Pro-Life Beauty Queen. I bet MSM won’t keep our Nation’s most important issues in the forefront this weekend. I have a feeling Palin and her past will dominate the air waves this holiday weekend. Too bad, really. I learned everything I needed to from Wikipedia in about 3 minutes,
copied from above:
When I hear un-called for criticism by anyone on this site, I shake my head. I feel awful for a sec, and try to remember what the hell I was thinking about before I was distracted by ugly human behavior. HATE THAT FEELING. I’m just an innocent by-poster in the line of fire.
From now on this will be my only reply to any offensive poster:
“YOU ARE SO RIGHT. I CAN’T BELIEVE HOW SMART YOU ARE. PEARLS OF WISDOM FLOW FROM YOUR SOUL. YOU’RE GREAT.
LET’S DO LUNCH!”
Feel free to copy and paste as often as necessary!
I believe in killing with kindness. Hope most of you all try this. It will be fun.
Comment by Rita in Mission Beach — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 7:09 am
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/american-conser.html#more
I love the smell of Establishment wreckage in the morning……
Comment by mutt — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 8:50 am
and for your further reading pleasure…..
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/three-words.html
Comment by mutt — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 8:56 am
Meanwhile, outside the convention, in the real world, IVAW goes about its business…..
Link: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-protest28-2008aug28,0,2351344.story
And more coverage:
http://www.fortcollinsnow.com/article/20080827/NEWS/808279944/1062&ParentProfile=1054
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/27/iraq-vet-says-he-wants-talk-obama-campaign/
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/27/Protests-will-be-peaceful/
http://gonzochasing.blogspot.com/2008/08/iraq-veterans-against-war-march-82708.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoAVce-Rc2c
Comment by mutt — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Guess what? The Repugs are already in repeat mode. Meaning that they repeat all the bullshit they hear untill if sounds like the truth. Two days ago, I can bet you to a man, not a one of these ass clowns had any idea who the fuck the governor of Alaska was. Now, they are all acting like this is such a great idea and they all know Sarah Palin’s name. These are the words coming from the mouths of your everyday man on the street repuglican. Not just the radio douches. So, word got out and it was definitely repeated more times than “flip flop” and “cut and run”.
Also the numbers they throw out to demonstrate how she has EVEN MORE experience then Obama., I heard today that he has only been in the senate 181 days since 2005. (what is interesting here is that McBush has probably spent even less time there then Obama…remember the Jim Webb sponsored VA Bill that McCain didn’t vote on yet gets ALL of the credit for)…if this is the utter bullshit that is being repeated many times daily by all the dipshits on all the Repukelican talk shows on radio and Fox News, we may be in trouble.
Are we at war with Eastasia or Eurasia? Wait no, we have always been at war with Eurasia and Eastasia has always been our allies. You catch my drift? The people listening to these shows are so blinded by what they are told to believe. I know Gabe takes issue with all of us, but dude….you gotta understand that at the very least, we read….a lot of different sources ad don’t just watch MSNBC to get our liberal ideas. We developed them pretty much on our own…like it or not. We have exactly one show in San Diego ( maybe Michael Jackson) on the radio that has like ideas…this versus 3 stations of all to wall neocon repeatalism. Not to mention that on the station that Stacy IS on, most of the day, it’s the same as those other three.
Comment by BigJ — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
She’s being touted as “Ronald Reagan in a dress.” In those EXACT words, by the “base”. I said “precisely” to one, I dont think he got it. They mean it as a compliment. You cant make this shit up……….
Comment by mutt — Saturday, August 30, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
When I said above that McBush spent less time then Obama in the Senate….I meant in the last 19 months.
As for Ronald Reagan in a dress…..dude, when the hell did Cons get this idea that Reagan was this God-like icon? Reagan is a symbol of the top one percent’s excesses in the 80’s. Never before or since has there been a better example of Republican contempt for all those “unnecessary” social programs like Social Security, Medicaid, and even Welfare. The 80’s brought us the prevailing attitude of the day that “Greed is good” and that it’s okay to borrow from Social Security in order to shore up that big ass deficit we created.
W will be an icon 8-12 years from now when Repukelicans begin to shit theirselves at the idea that Democratic or Independent economic policies actually fuckin work across the board and not just for the upper class (which Republicans say, depending on which argument they are making starts at $42,000 a year when they attempt to scare those folks that make that much that their taxes will most certainly go up…..or is making more than $5 million, since anything below that is actually “middle class” to them.) They will be calling for yet another GOP administration that will only benefit the rich once again.
Oh, but Ronald Reagan kicked ass….so will having Sarah Palin get Vladimir Putin shaking in his boots? Sarah Palin, now will just merely have to say “Mr. Putin, get those tanks out of Georgia!” Like the “Tear down that wall” declaration the great Ronald Reagan made.
Would all the listeners of rightwing radio really think that Reagan was such a great president if that idea wasn’t repeated a million times a day? We all know that Michael Reagan thinks his old man’s policies were terrific and that Hannity would blow Ronald Reagan’s corpse if he thought it would bring him back to life. I find it interesting that Reagan’s namesake Ron is actually kind of a liberal.
Comment by BigJ — Sunday, August 31, 2008 @ 12:51 am
“W will be an icon 8-12 years from now when…..”- no, actually, the Party Line is it will take 50 years before we recognize his greatness….
Comment by mutt — Sunday, August 31, 2008 @ 2:54 am
Brilliant, Dipfish. You sure are a genius.
Meanwhile, in the real world, Tommorrowland is takes a giant step closer.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/30/police_raids/
you think all those “christains’ are just bad shots with prayer, like pres Cheney is w/ a shotgun? Could that be what happened? I thought Gawd was supposed to make it rain on the Dim convention, but here Gawd is gonna make it rain on the Nutpublicans…..Im sure Dipfish can sort this out, he being as masterful in theology as he is in economics. but, no- I wont do lunch.
Comment by mutt — Sunday, August 31, 2008 @ 7:37 am
I pose a question to you all. When you know you will never be able to change the mindset of the ill informed and ignoring their lack of curiosity for the truth. As long as this idiot is so insecure and thrives the attention of being contrary. Is it time to keep swatting this fly or to get out the Raid?
Comment by knifemaster — Sunday, August 31, 2008 @ 10:44 am
Fair Q, KnifeM…..if everyone, or most everyone, thinks givin the attention deserved/earned-zero- is the way to go, Im on board.
If not, I will exercise my cruelty streak on this wingnut. He really fucked up when he went after some of the women months ago- some dep, inner sickness came out. That marked him for me, as far as Im concerned. A creep, & he votes…..
So, are you, actually, a bladesman? my dagger of many decades jumped ship on my last bike run, & i need a point…..
you can ping me off line thru the vvaw site…
Comment by mutt — Sunday, August 31, 2008 @ 12:23 pm
I really don’t care much for Mc Cain so I will probably ignore the man while he bumbles around in the white house while he and his VP are demonized for the next 4 years by the angry mob on the left. My life the way I see it and live it is really not effected by who is fumbling around in the white house anyway. Regardless of who has been at the helm my business has grown and my life has always been better than ever…….Out racing motorcycles this Saturday night and running a booth for 3 days at the stickball tourny in Little Italy……great fun for a labor day weekend. Drop by and say hi to Babsie at the Angel Painting booth.
I don’t really think that you are hopeless as a human being, Gabe, but there is a lot of shit that you just don’t understand. Nobody ever demonized Reagan. He was judged for what he did in office, and that stupid pee on poor people theory. He would be the first to admit that trickle-down economics won’t work if he were around today. He would have been appalled by the Bush presidency. Maybe you were OK with Iran-Contra. It sounds to me like you don’t care very much about law unless it affects your own life. And that’ the key thing. Sure, life is beautiful. Don’t you think something can be done to help those less fortunate than ourselves? Just kidding.
Bush senior was never demonized. Not to my knowledge. For God sake! Clinton was demonized! What the hell did he ever to piss anyone off? He was the original Republican light.
Bush and Cheney are demons. It’s that simple. It’s not just the war. He couldn’t have done that without war-pig democrats supporting him all the way. But it’s still enough to hate his guts. He started a fucking war where there was none. A lot of people died. Many more are permanently disabled. He bankrupted the richest nation on earth. Iraq is still completely messed up, in case you didn’t know. You can honestly tell me you don’t care about that because “business is good?” What about our reputation in the world as a peace-loving nation? I pity you.
Letting oil industry insiders formulate energy regulatory policy probably makes perfect sense to you. Giving the SS trust fund to Wall Street probably makes good financial sense. I’m not worried about McCain pulling that one off. But if he starts another war, you can bet your house he will be demonized. Fourth amendment rights? Who cares? It ain’t me, right? Black men in prison? It ain’t me! Making college affordable to every young person who works hard? Won’t the free market hand make that happen? I hope you’re wrong about it being a done deal with the hot librarian, but it was a good strategy on McCain’s part.
Comment by Flying Junior — Sunday, August 31, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
An Alaska blog …..quite familiar w/ Palin, who seems smarter than Quayle, at least…
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
Comment by mutt — Monday, September 1, 2008 @ 3:52 am
This passes for good news on the left. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26485812
Hey Dumbmutt. Explain to us all with your econimics degrese how my business has continued to expand in this horrible BUSH economy. Your the guy here with all the big brains ( actually your just a typical cut and paste idiot that can’t think for himself if he had to and blames everything on the Christians and Bush. What a f-ing creaton idiot. Like a Nero rype that always needs a boogy man to blame his problems on.) and no doubt you have run several highly successful business since you are so freaking smart. Why not explain to us how in this horrible BUSH economy there is actually growth of an unexpected level going on.
Please tell us all about you great business success and your multiple college degrees. I am sure we would all love to hear it in detail. Don’t be afraid to name the company you are presently running and the colleges you have attended.
I didn’t need college or a degree to be a success but some stupid old fools that can’t get past Vietnam do as you well know.
Comment by Gabe — Monday, September 1, 2008 @ 5:11 am
and an update on the mass raids in Minn. Heavy Fed involvement, surprise surprise…..
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/31/raids/index.html?source=newsletter
Comment by mutt — Monday, September 1, 2008 @ 5:14 am
“Don’t you think something can be done to help those less fortunate than ourselves?”
It’s called the largest welfair system on earth. That and individual giving is the ticket. We have the highest standerd of living around. Not everyone can be rich ya know……….I don’t coonsider myself so but some would. It all depends on your perspective. In many ways I am rich but not with money even though I do pretty ggood these days.
“but there is a lot of shit that you just don’t understand. Nobody ever demonized Reagan”
I understand plent enough. There is plenty you and the majority of the left just don’t get also. I never said Regan was demonized BTW. And please don;t try putting word in a dead man’s mouth. It’s ridiclous. BTW when died Stacy did his best to deonize him. He always does. He is realy quite disgusting with it also. The last time some politician he didn’t like died he said on the air ” may he burn in hell” That’s a fact….that’s dispicapable
“democrats supporting him all the way.” I rest my case about them ( Democrates )being just as evil ( if they really are) You said it for me.
“He bankrupted the richest nation on earth” yea right……….
“You can honestly tell me you don’t care about that because “business is good?” ”
Neer said anything of the like. Stop twisting what I have said dude. I am just stating econimic FACTS. It has nothing to do with what I think of the war. You act as if because I am happy that my business is doing well then I must somehow be really happy that the war is continuing on without end. I paint houses and businesse and schools for a living. You act like I build war weapons and bombs. If you had bothered to actuall read what I have said in the past here you would know that I think the war is ridiclous and stupid. Here I will quote myself from the last thread. ” The war should have been over in 6 months.” ” The Democrates in congress keep votng for it and to fund it” If they were serious about stoping it then why do they continue to do this? Answer me that will you. Polls indicate that over 75% of people are against this war now yet the Politicians continue this Bullshit? It’s freaking insane. The only thing I am able to do is to visit wounder soldiers at the NAVY hospital and take things to them. What are you doing other than taLKING AND CASTING YOUR ONE USEESS VOTE THAT THE POLITICIANS ARE NOT LISTENING TO.
FYI……I am not a member of the REPUBLICAN Party either…I bet I have said that at least 10 times or more yet just because I give the left a hard time it is automaticly assumed that I must be a evil Republican monster…….How stupid it that. It’s what talk radio loud mouth’s have programed you to think. With a knee jerk , put them in a box so you can hate them and call them nasty names thinking. It’s what’s wrong with talk radio. It’s far to hatefilled fom both sides.
“Black men in prison? It ain’t me!”
……Oh please………. Now that is ridiclous. Your last paragraph has now diminished into a ridiclous rant programed by radio head thinking……….
Perhaps their are black men in prison because they have COMMITTED CRIMES????
No that would be to straight forwrd of an answer.Dude please. You being idiotic now. Guess what. There are WHITE MEN AND WOMEN in prison……… what shall we do about that. I know. Let’s put Obama to work on that one. He will solve it………dream on man, dream on………
Comment by Gabe — Monday, September 1, 2008 @ 5:40 am
Well my point remains the same. Nobody has demonized McCain. And it does matter who is in the white house. Forgive me for lionizing Reagan a little. I just can’t believe he would be on board with the sadistic polices of W and company.
Bankruptcy doesn’t mean all the money and assets are gone. It just means Bush broke the bank. Each year the fed runs a gargantuan deficit. Bush has doubled the national debt. That is bankruptcy dewd! The economy was so screwed he gave everybody a tax rebate, further plunging us into debt.
So, if you’re not a Republican, can’t you just say it? Bush is a monster. Cheney is the devil.
Comment by Flying Junior — Monday, September 1, 2008 @ 7:32 am
” I just can’t believe he would be on board with the sadistic polices of W and company.”-
I would invite your close examination of his actions- or, rather, actions done in his name, thru his offices authority-he just read lines, after all-in Honduras, El S alvador, Guatemala, & Nicaragua. Torture, mass murder, secret prisons, wars of aggression, the undermining of domestic governmental oversight, media consolidation, fruitloop bible quacks asserting political power, unleashing crazed “intelligence” bureaucrats on the public, the dismantling of the commons- Cheneyco is just building on Reagans foundation.
As Reagans wars in Central America built on Jimmy Crackers foundation…..no, Bush is a distillation of Reaganism, the logical result, not a mutation….
Comment by mutt — Monday, September 1, 2008 @ 8:56 am
I would vote - if I had one and if it mattered - to keep Gabe. He keeps it interesting. Hate to see only the “preach to the choir” crowd.
Comment by Sammy — Monday, September 1, 2008 @ 9:43 am
mutt: Have been stroking with the knife blade for many years. Have P.H. record for disecting a forequarter in twelve minutes, able to filet a fish in seconds.
Comment by knifemaster — Monday, September 1, 2008 @ 10:29 am
We hiked to the top of Cuyamaca peak yesterday with our fully loaded backpacks on in training for the high Sierra’s upcoming. It was worth it. All of you little people down there looked……..well you looked pretty little.
Comment by Gabe — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 5:34 am
“I just can’t believe he would be on board with the sadistic polices of W and company.”
Your right. He probably would not be…..
Now let’s discuss bill Clinton’s military blunders………..you go first.
Comment by Gabe — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 5:36 am
“So, if you’re not a Republican, can’t you just say it? Bush is a monster. Cheney is the devil.”
Because I don’t make idiotic statements such as that…………
Comment by Gabe — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 5:38 am
Okay, for all the other stuff I was almost willing to say that it didn’t matter, but today we learn yet another tidbit about the presumptive GOP veep choice. She was once a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, who’s aim it was to secede from the United States Of America. Hmmmmm. How can someone who’s so great for this country by being a “maverick” have been at one time against being part of America? That’s sure is strange. This is a much bigger mess then the Harriet Miers episode.
Comment by BigJ — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 6:00 am
If I could ask Sarah Palin one question right now, I would ask her, “How is that Abstinence only sex education working out for you?” I feel so bad for her daughter. She is now relegated to marrying this 17-year-old kid, which could be worse than the pregnancy.
FJ, Bush is a monster and Cheney is the devil!
Comment by Lorelei — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 9:27 am
Obama…the Anti-Bush
Biden…the Anti-Cheney
I hear a landslide.
Comment by Rita in Mission Beach — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 10:26 am
Prediction: Palin will be out of the running by the end of the week, if not the next 24 hours.
Comment by Rita in Mission Beach — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 10:28 am
Indeed, McNuts veep pick reminds me of W’s pick of Harriet for SCOTUS.
Biden is a knee jerk supporter of that evilpast time, the “War on Drugs”. He’s also deep in the pockets of Big Banking.
Obama is bending over backwards to assure the wingnuts, dont worry, we’ll have lots of wars.
They think my vote is automatic, its not. If an Obama/Biden regime means a walk for the cheney admin thieves and murderers- and it increasingly seems like it does- well, lets just say my expectations of the Dims are met…..
Comment by mutt — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 10:36 am
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2179
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2176
They are about Obama, Biden, and the various Wars. Im interested in your thoughts, Riiiiita, & Lorelei, among others.
How do we hold this party accountable? How do we hold the Dem candidates accountable? Is wanting to return to some notion of a Gvt of prescribed powers, and a government that dosnt drop thousands of tons of bombs as a “right”, “extreme”? Are those positions too much to ask, we must approach them incrementally?
Im gonna be makin phone calls for Mike L tonite. Ill have ZERO good things to say about his Party. He’s OK, tho.
Comment by mutt — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 10:44 am
Mutt, Those two criminals will never be held accountable. I’m disappointed in my tribe (again), but you warned me. Is it possible that they will ever be guests of the Hague? T
Comment by Lorelei — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 10:57 am
“In a way I almost feel sorry for Gov. Palin,” Justin
“Killing the ‘bridge to nowhere,’” Flying Jr
I feel more sorry for her five children, especially the 4-mo-old with special needs! How much time do you think he will get to spend with Mommy Dearest?
She was for the ‘bridge to nowhere’ before she was against it! Your post makes it sound as tho you believe she was responsible for killing the project. It was really the national attention that killed it. BTW she didn’t give back the funds - Alaska is going to still use the funds for some so far unknown purpose.
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/palin_and_the_bridge_to_nowher.html
September 1, 2008
Palin and the ‘Bridge to Nowhere’
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ST. PAUL — USA Today this morning takes a look at Sarah Palin’s claim in her speech last week that she opposed the so-called Bridge to Nowhere. It finds that Palin’s opposition wasn’t always so strong:
“We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge, and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative,” Palin said in August 2006, according to the Ketchikan Daily News.
The Anchorage Daily News quoted her in October 2006 as saying she would continue state funding for the bridge. “The window is now, while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist,” she said…
Comment by goodgolly — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
We hiked to the top of Cuyamaca peak yesterday with our fully loaded backpacks on in training for the high Sierra’s upcoming. It was worth it. All of you little people down there looked……..well you looked pretty little.
I love this. This is the “My life is so great and all you liberals are just miserable hate filled people narrative” I’ve been hearing a lot lately. As if my whole life revolves only around politics. Are you ready for where I’ve been? Let’s see, this could take a while: Jamaica three times, Barbados twice, Curacau, St. Lucia, Germany, at least thirty of the fifty states, Hong Kong, Singapore five times, Bahrain five times, Dubai, Australia three times(snorkeled the Great Barrier Reef), Panama three times, Ecuador, Peurto Vallarta Mexico.
I won’t even get into my guitar collection. Gibsons and Fenders mostly.
Oh and I’m all of 26 years old. I could die tomorrow and feel fulfilled so don’t tell me I’m some angry lib, I simply want this country to improve, in fact I did six years in the military(Clinton was president when I signed up by the way) because as many problems as I see I still believe in this place. Have fun in the Sierra’s, one place I haven’t been yet but I’m sure would be great.
Comment by Justin — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
If Sarah Palin were a Democrat, I’d betcha the right-wing talk shows and media would be blaming her and her “liberal values” for why she has a preggy teenage daughter! More examples of Repub hypocrisy:
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Examples_of_Republican_hypocrisy_on_moral_values
Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers. Daily Kos article
Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator from Puerto Rico, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. Full Article
Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist from Colorado, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. Source Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. Denver ABC Article
Dick Armey (R-Texas), former professor, has been accused by The Dallas Observer of sexually harassing female students.
Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [1] and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[2]. Fellow televangelists say he’s gay. [3][4]Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering [5].
Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner from Maine, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article
Bob Barr, Republican Congressman from Georgia. Sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act, saying “The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundation of our society, the family unit.” Was married three times. Paid for his second wife’s abortion. Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.
Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article
Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist from Maryland, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source: Washington Blade
Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector from Virginia, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Conservative Babylon
(click on link for alphabetical list - way too long to post the whole thing)
Comment by goodgolly — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 1:13 pm
Sounds like your doing Great Justin. The miserable lib does not seem to fit you. However I do sense the angry part a little bit. Now get to work on improving the country buy helping others etc. You sound like you are up to it.
I used to have a nice guitar collection when I was about your age. I take you you play in a band then maybe. It sure was fun when I did.
Comment by Gabe — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 1:16 pm
“The reasons you’re not seeing dramatic stories of rescue is because we had a successful evacuation,” said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “The only reason we don’t have more tales of people in grave danger is because everyone heeded … the instructions to get out of town.”
Looks like the people listened to the warnings this time when Hurricane “BUSH II” came our way. And then rebuilt levees held. Good deal.
Comment by Gabe — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
“Are you ready for where I’ve been? Let’s see, this could take a while: Jamaica three times, Barbados twice, Curacau, St. Lucia, Germany, at least thirty of the fifty states, Hong Kong, Singapore five times, Bahrain five times, Dubai, Australia three times(snorkeled the Great Barrier Reef), Panama three times, Ecuador, Peurto Vallarta Mexico.”
Why do you hate America, Justin?
Comment by mutt — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
What I hate right now is the damn computer won’t let me stream the show. I’ll have to get in my car to hear it.
Comment by Justin — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
I just saw the picture of the bikini-clad, gun-toting, Miss VP America. She’s only missing the sash and the crown.
Comment by Lorelei — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Things the Right Wing should do if they had’ Intellect,wisdom,honesty,faithfulness,and any sense decencecy; Dump the Bimbo,yesterday. Reality, In eight years of their controll have they ever done any of the above? Result, We’re stuck with the distraction cause it takes all of the real issues off the table for the remander of the run.
Comment by knifemaster — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
” However I do sense the angry part …… ”
look in the mirror much?
What a complete maroon…….
Comment by mutt — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
Dumdmutt..STFU dickhead……………sorry folks. It will be the last time I address this utter jackass.
Comment by Gabe — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
http://www.sportfishingreport.com/fish_counts/fishermanlanding/fishcountsforch.php?landing_id=22
Comment by Gabe — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 8:59 pm
the use of iconic imagery, buzz words, and the kind of lofty rhetoric that is intended to inspire and engage, but it was really, really good…..
yeah, true, but thats ALL the Dims have, as far as I can tell- imagery & buzz words. no actual stating of the facts we are facing. Wars, subversion of the rule of law-bankruptcy, both fiscal and moral, on a scale unimaginable…..well, the fiscal part, anyway. tho I note the Dim platform, itself an exercise in empty rhetoric, at least calls torture, “renditions” etc what they actually are.
No, Im seeing the Dims not an actual, living, breathing opposition party- im talkin the Party, here, not individuals within it, like, say, Mike Lumpkin- but rather a amoral pack of powermongers who will build on W’s expansion of the National Security State.
They arent against the massive abuse of power & fraud that iswhat the Repubs have sunk too, they only lament they dont wield the club…
Comment by mutt — Wednesday, September 3, 2008 @ 11:15 am
However I do sense the angry part …… ”
look in the mirror much?
What a complete maroon…….
Comment by mutt — Tuesday, September 2, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
Yea I’m a real Maroon dumbmutt……………….lmao. Your such an idiot.
Comment by Gabe — Wednesday, September 3, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
http://www.sportfishingreport.com/fish_counts/seaforth/fishcounts.php
Wow Muttster that last post actually made a little sense for a change………as your reward for thinking for yourself here is yesterdays fish report from Mission Bay. Notice the Tuna on the half day boat. That is about 5 miles from shore if that far out.
Yea I know man….. “there are no Tuna out there anyway.”
Comment by Gabe — Thursday, September 4, 2008 @ 5:35 am
More on Obama being, like jimmy Cracker, a faithful steward of the Empire. ruff is an old pal from way back….
http://allenruff.blogspot.com/
this requires some level of intelligence to follow, so if, say, you are so nitwitted as to not discern the difference between, say, commercial fleet fishing and tourist day fishing, its not for you…..even tho I do get a laugh out of how often you proclaim your ugly simple-mindedness. a constant reminder of the depths of human stupidity- as if we need one.
and I invite those who think Obama is, indeed, different in this fundimental sense to take bro Ruffs article apart.
Meanwhile, the prog inclination to sneer at Palin coz she’s from a small town & not a hoplophobe will only give her strength in her (large!) constituency.
Comment by mutt — Thursday, September 4, 2008 @ 8:20 am
The comecial fleet was driven out of the USA by idiots like you dumvmutt. It has not died at all but has simply moved to other countries. The fishing continues as usual you stupid maroon!!! The Mexico fleet is fishing……well guess where. In Mexico and parts south and west of there. That is where the former US fleet fished and where it’s boats that moved to Samoa and the like now fish just like before you maroon. They simply fly a different flag. Other than that nothing has changed you maroon.
Comment by Gabe — Thursday, September 4, 2008 @ 10:35 am
“this requires some level of intelligence to follow”
So then how in the hell is a big fat Maroon like you going to be able to get it MCMutt ?
Comment by Gabe — Friday, September 5, 2008 @ 4:56 am
Please, ENOUGH! Children
Comment by knifemaster — Friday, September 5, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
Oh pipe down dullknife or I will call you a maroon also……….lol
Comment by Gabe — Wednesday, September 10, 2008 @ 4:48 am